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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ted,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank you for your reply.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have tried on an Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU870 @ 2.93GHz which has not the AVX flag on. And the result is the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Furthermore, the INTEL_MKL definition is not set during the Cbc compilation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">At end, if I remove the multithread command-line argument, it seems that cbc is deterministic (4000 runs providing the same solution).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Yves<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Ted Ralphs [mailto:ted@lehigh.edu]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 08, 2016 7:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Yves Touchard <ytouchard@gopro.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Forrest <john.forrest@fastercoin.com>; cbc@list.coin-or.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cbc] Non Deterministic solution<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't know any details, but apparently non-determinism is a possibility on some Intel chipsets using AVX intructions, even for code that should be deterministic, due to alignment issues. For example, see this discussion:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/intel-math-kernel-library/topic/391364">https://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/intel-math-kernel-library/topic/391364</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm not sure if this could be the issue, but worth checking into. The above thread contains some ideas for what to try to make the code deterministic. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ted<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Yves Touchard <<a href="mailto:ytouchard@gopro.com" target="_blank">ytouchard@gopro.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">John,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Sure that this problem is very tricky.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I wrote a Python script launching cbc until the solution file is different from a reference solution.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">According to these tests, cbc must be ran (on the same machine) between 1 and 200 times before failing
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 08, 2016 5:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Yves Touchard <<a href="mailto:ytouchard@gopro.com" target="_blank">ytouchard@gopro.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:cbc@list.coin-or.org" target="_blank">cbc@list.coin-or.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cbc] Non Deterministic solution</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Difficult to debug this. I have run it a hundred times and got the same answer each time.<br>
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John<br>
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On 08/02/16 12:11, Yves Touchard wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I did the changes (two lines in ClpSimplex.cpp) and there is still determinism problems.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Yves<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:john.forrest@fastercoin.com" target="_blank">john.forrest@fastercoin.com</a> [<a href="mailto:john.forrest@fastercoin.com" target="_blank">mailto:john.forrest@fastercoin.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 05, 2016 5:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Yves Touchard <a href="mailto:ytouchard@gopro.com" target="_blank"><ytouchard@gopro.com></a>;
<a href="mailto:cbc@list.coin-or.org" target="_blank">cbc@list.coin-or.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Cbc] Non Deterministic solution<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Yves,<br>
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My guess is that it is because there are places where CoinDrand48 is used. <br>
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Most likely is in ClpSimplex.cpp - try changing<br>
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Coindrand48()<br>
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randomNumberGenerator_.randomDouble()<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">if that fixes I will check change in<br>
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Subject: [Cbc] Non Deterministic solution<br>
From: Yves Touchard <<a href="mailto:ytouchard@gopro.com" target="_blank">ytouchard@gopro.com</a>><br>
Date: Thu, February 04, 2016 11:31 am<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:cbc@list.coin-or.org" target="_blank">cbc@list.coin-or.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cbc@list.coin-or.org" target="_blank">cbc@list.coin-or.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have just a got a determinism problem with a constraint file:<o:p></o:p></p>
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzbmgj48kvtd5yj/pb.tar.gz?dl=0</a>, a tar file containing five files:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">· pb.lp is the constraint file.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">· pbTriv.sol is a solution file of the trivial problem (same problem with relaxed constraints) used for mipstart.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">· pbCmd1.sol is the most frequent solution provided by coin.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">· pbCmd1Alt.sol is the alternative solution (not easy to catch it…).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">bin/cbc pb.lp threads 104 ratio 0.05 mipstart pbTriv.sol priority pb.prio divingP on divingV on divesolves 301 multiple 4 branch printingOptions normal solution pb.sol<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Cbc coin is 2.9.7 rev:2232 compiled with gcc 4.9.0<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Could you have a look on it, please?<o:p></o:p></p>
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